HomeMy WebLinkAbout08-01-17Minutes of the Pulaski Town Council meeting held August 1, 2017 at 7:00 p.m. in the
Council Chambers of the Municipal Building at 42 First Street, N.W.
In attendance were:
Mayor: Robert N. Glenn, presiding
Councilmen Present: David L. Clark, Gregory C. East (Arrived 7:10 p.m.), Joseph
K. Goodman; H.M. Kidd; Lane R. Penn; James A. Radcliffe
Staff: Shawn M. Utt, Town Manager
Spencer Rygas, Town Attorney
Dana Bishop, Accounts Payable
Debbie Bivens, Information Technology
Dave Hart, Director Parks & Facilities
Robbie Kiser, Chief P.F.D
Jackie Morris, Asst. Finance Director
Bill Pedigo, Town Engineer
David N. Quesenberry, Clerk of Council
Gary W. Roche, Chief P.P.D.
Press: Brooke J. Wood, Southwest Times
Others: Trish Cruise Laura Goodman John McElroy
Phillip Nadean Clark Payne Hubert Rudisill
Brenda Shelton Sandra Williams Ellaine Wilson
Jennifer White John White
Mayor Glenn called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Councilman Radcliffe led the Pledge of Allegiance and Councilman Clark gave the
invocation.
Following roll call, Mayor Glenn noted there were no modifications to the agenda and
proceeded to welcome guests and visitors to the meeting.
Mayor Glenn then moved to "Presentations" (Item 7) on the agenda, honoring three
recent retirees from the Town, Patricia Cruise, Brenda Shelton and Dr. John White.
Mayor Glenn read Resolution 2017-16, honoring Patricia M. Cruise upon her retirement
from the Town of Pulaski. Following the reading of the resolution the Mayor called for a
motion from Council. Mr. Goodman moved to adopt Resolution 2017-16. The motion
was seconded by Mr. Clark and approved by unanimous voice vote, whereupon the
resolution was presented to Mrs. Cruise.
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Mayor Glenn then read Resolution 2017-15 honoring Brenda T. Shelton upon her
retirement from the Town of Pulaski noting her service to the Planning Commission.
Upon concluding the reading of the resolution, Mayor Glenn called for a motion from
Council.
Mr. Goodman moved that Resolution 2017-15 be adopted as written. The motion was
seconded by Mr. Clark and carried on the following roll call vote:
Mr. Radcliffe -Aye Mr. Goodman -Aye
Mr. East -Absent Mr. Kidd -Aye
Mr. Clark -Aye Mr. Penn -Aye
After the vote, Mayor Glenn presented Mrs. Shelton with her resolution.
Mr. East arrived, joining the meeting at 7:10 p.m.
The Council then considered Resolution 2017-14 honoring Dr. John B. White upon his
retirement from the Town of Pulaski. Mayor Glenn read the resolution, then called for a
motion from Council. Mr. Goodman moved that Council adopt Resolution 2017-14 as
written. The motion was seconded by Mr. Kidd and approved on the following roll call
vote:
Following the vote, Mayor Glenn awarded Dr. White his resolution.
There being no public hearings scheduled, the next item on the agenda was the Public
Comment Period with Dr. John McElroy as the registered speaker.
Dr. McElroy reviewed some of the recent flooding experienced on East Main Street
which he maintained was caused in part by deterioration of the creek wall that
channeled flood waters into his business and that area of the Town.
He presented a slideshow to Council noting the conditions of the creek walls from
Randolph Avenue down to the low water dam just upstream from Duncan's Bridge.
Problem areas shown during the presentation included: rocks from the wall falling into
the creek channel; damage to the wall by plants and animals; locations where the wall
was "sagging" down; areas of the wall that were being pushed out towards the creek;
the presence of sediment areas in the creek covered with growth that hindered the
channel's capacity to accommodate large flows of water; and the buildup of debris
around the supports for traffic bridges.
As a remedy to preventing the loss of the creek wall, with potential flooding implications
for the Downtown, Dr. McElroy proposed that the Town create a plan within 90 days to
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Mr. Radcliffe
-Aye
Mr. Goodman
-Aye
Mr. East
-Aye
Mr. Kidd
-Aye
Mr. Clark
-Aye
Mr. Penn
-Aye
Following the vote, Mayor Glenn awarded Dr. White his resolution.
There being no public hearings scheduled, the next item on the agenda was the Public
Comment Period with Dr. John McElroy as the registered speaker.
Dr. McElroy reviewed some of the recent flooding experienced on East Main Street
which he maintained was caused in part by deterioration of the creek wall that
channeled flood waters into his business and that area of the Town.
He presented a slideshow to Council noting the conditions of the creek walls from
Randolph Avenue down to the low water dam just upstream from Duncan's Bridge.
Problem areas shown during the presentation included: rocks from the wall falling into
the creek channel; damage to the wall by plants and animals; locations where the wall
was "sagging" down; areas of the wall that were being pushed out towards the creek;
the presence of sediment areas in the creek covered with growth that hindered the
channel's capacity to accommodate large flows of water; and the buildup of debris
around the supports for traffic bridges.
As a remedy to preventing the loss of the creek wall, with potential flooding implications
for the Downtown, Dr. McElroy proposed that the Town create a plan within 90 days to
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(1) get rid of growth in the creek channel; (2) repair the wall and secure the rocks
placement in the wall; (3) clear the creek channel back to its original level; and, (4) in
case of flood forecasts, drawdown the water in Gatewood Dam like APCO does with
Claytor Lake and Smith Mountain Lake.
Mr. Radcliffe commented that he remembered that several years ago the Department of
Environmental Quality (DEQ) and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) were "not
happy" the last time when the banks of the creek were cleared. While he agreed that the
channel needed cleaning out, he noted that the Town would have to fight the feds and
the state in trying to get something done.
Dr. McElroy responded that two individuals from the Corps of Engineer told the Friends
of Peak Creek less than four months ago that someone could go into the creek and
clean the channel up to the original depth without a substantial complaint by the Corps.
Mr. Radcliffe highlighted another problem in that the Norfolk Southern trestle located
downstream from the Town, acted like a natural dam further constricting the creek's
flow. Dr. McElroy said that efforts to prevent flooding should include the full length of the
creek. Work, he continued, should commence as soon as possible since it is the dry
season.
Mr. East said that it sounded like the Town does not have a plan and was not acting
proactively. He questioned how a plan would be created and felt continuing to ignore
the problem was not an option. While there were issues with dredging the creek, he said
if a start is not made in addressing the issue, the issue will not be addressed.
Mr. Utt responded that the Town does not have ownership rights to the creek and
previous research had found who the owners were. Whoever the heirs were, he felt they
would be favorable for the Town to act.
Mr. Goodman said that the Town knew who the owners were and that they offered the
creek to the Town at no charge. If the creek was accepted, however, the Town would
have to accept the liability for all of it. Realistically he concluded, if the Town did not
step up and deal with the issue, the Downtown would be put at risk.
Mr. Utt felt that this would be a good opportunity for a grant project.
Mr. Radcliffe asked if the Corps of Engineers had been brought in for discussions. Mr.
Utt responded that the Corps was at a recent Friends of Peak Creek meeting and said
the grass could be cleared to the natural waterline, but that the level of the natural
waterline was unknown. Dr. McElroy asked if that referred to the natural waterline now
or from the beginning. Mr. Utt said he did not know.
Mr. Goodman proposed a four step approach regarding the creek which was: (1)
removal of brush; (2) determine where the waterline is to remove the "islands"; (3) start
damage assessment to the walls; and, (4) work with the Corps to determine the depth
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the creek could be dredged out. Some items could be done now, he observed while
others would take longer. Mr. East felt that in removing the "islands" caution could be
exercised not to go too deep yet still remove much of the growth.
Mayor Glenn mentioned that at a previous meeting with the Town Manager and Mr.
Byrd of the New River Valley Regional Commission, he learned that to clean the creek it
could take 10 years to get all the permits and $3 million by the time sediment control
was done. The main concern was that debris stirred up would end up in Claytor Lake,
despite the fact, he continued, natural flooding stirs up sediment which still ends up in
the lake.
Mayor Glenn referred to an earlier meeting of the Friends of Peak Creek, where two
member of the Corps of Engineers who attended, said the creek fell under their
jurisdiction because it was a navigable waterway. According to these officials, as long
as maintenance was being done, vehicles could be taken into the creek and the
"islands" could be mowed. The Mayor expressed his concern that if nothing was done
the channel could collapse and serious flooding would result. He also emphasized that
in such an effort the Town could not expect help from outside agencies and should seek
grant funding.
Regarding lowering the reservoir level, Mr. Pedigo and Mr. Utt told Council that
Gatewood Dam was a solid dam with an outflow pipe, while Claytor Dam has actual
channels that can open and shut which Gatewood does not have. Mr. Pedigo added
that Gatewood Dam was not designed to be a flood control dam. If the reservoir level
were lowered, the dam would catch the volume of water by the amount the reservoir
was lowered. Mr. Goodman suggested using a high capacity pump to lower the
reservoir if the Town knew something was headed its way.
There being no further discussion on the issue, Mayor Glenn suggested that Mr. Utt and
Mr. Pedigo create a proposal on both how to get grant money and find out about
permits for maintenance by the September work session.
Mr. Goodman inquired if at the next work session options on brush could be discussed,
since the water level is so low.
Mr. Utt mentioned that there are members of staff now certified to spray so that could be
done much more often that waiting for contractors.
Mr. Goodman suggested that measures that did not require much planning or permits
could be discussed at the next work session with larger more complicated issues, such
as dredging to be discussed at the work session the following month.
Mayor Glenn asked Mr. Utt to get some ideas for projects for the next work session that
could be easily done given the low level of the creek.
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The next item of business was the Consent Agenda of the minutes from July 5, 2017.
Mayor Glenn opened the floor for a motion concerning approval of the minutes. Mr.
Goodman moved that Council adopt the minutes from July 5, 2017 as written. The
motion was seconded by Mr. Kidd and approved unanimously by voice vote.
Next item on the agenda was "Project Updates".
Mr. Utt asked if there were any questions on the updated review chart and if not, he
would focus on the short term goals. For the upcoming retreat he said that he would like
to get some feedback on the Project Update Chart vs. the 3/6/9 goals as to whether or
not both are needed and what Council wanted on a monthly update basis.
There being no comment on the Project Update Chart, Mr. Utt proceeded with the
review of the 3/6/9 goals highlighting the following activities.
Mr. Utt said that the sealing for the skateboard park, originally scheduled for finishing by
July 30th had been delayed since the Town was waiting for the contractor to begin the
project.
Regarding spraying, Mr. Utt reported that a previously certified Public Works employee
passed the state exam and had become recertified for herbicide application. The town
horticulturist was also being sent for certification so the Town will have employees on
staff able to do spraying. It would be necessary for the Town to partner with the County
because a lead sprayer certification was necessary for mixing the herbicides and the
County had an employee on staff that could provide that oversight function. Hopefully
he continued, in the next week or two, the Town would have the equipment ready to
begin spraying.
Concerning the zoning ordinance revision, the goal was to have that presented to
Council in October. The initial goal, Mr. Utt continued, was to have it at the September
work session, but he was unsure if it was on the Planning Commission agenda for
August. The overall rewrite, he noted was very nearly complete giving an ordinance that
the staff felt better about enforcing.
Mr. Goodman asked about the conduit in Jackson Park and whether or not the Town
could meet that deadline since it was getting close to cold weather. Mr. Utt responded
that the project was not difficult and that materials were on hand to begin two days after
PulaskiFest. He estimated the project might take a week given the use of a trenching
machine and conduit.
There being no further comment, the next item on the agenda was "Old Business" (Item
12) with the first issue of discussion being scheduling of the Council retreat. Mr. Utt
mentioned that Council had proposed a retreat sometime in September to consolidate
and reorganize current goals and evaluate goals from the last retreat.
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Mr. Utt said that Mr. Byrd of the NRVRC did not have a Saturday open in September to
conduct a retreat and that he had suggested perhaps a Wednesday morning or other
weekday meeting time. Following discussion, Mayor Glenn suggested pushing the
meeting back into October. For the September work session, Mayor Glenn said he was
entertaining the Council, staff and press at Gatewood for the work session and felt that
the retreat could be held in October when Mr. Byrd would be available on a Saturday,
which also would allow further discussion of Gatewood.
Mr. Utt said that he would contact Mr. Byrd to see if an October date was feasible
Mr. Goodman asked about using an outside facilitator not of the local government
model who would bring a different perspective to ask questions that might not otherwise
be asked. He suggested some military leaders at Virginia Tech that have a different way
of thinking and a different way to guide discussion.
Mr. Utt said he would need contact information to reach out to potential facilitators,
since an October retreat would give more time to set things up.
Mayor Glenn asked Mr. Utt and Mr. Goodman to coordinate together for other options
for a facilitator and aim for a Saturday date, possibly September 9th or 16th otherwise the
retreat would push into October to allow coordinating with the Gatewood issue as well.
He also asked Mr. Utt and Mr. Goodman to work on ideas for military personnel as a
facilitator.
Mr. East commented that he had worked for a number of years with Mr. Byrd and felt
that his insight and knowledge might be good to have as opposed to someone from
outside government. He said that the proposed speakers came from two different
worlds and that Mr. Byrd had experience with every level of government and that he
could be valuable in guiding any discussion where someone without that knowledge
might not necessarily be able to do that.
Mayor Glenn asked Mr. Utt to bring back something for the work session in August so
Council could decide what it wished to do because both schools of thought had merit to
them.
For the second item (12b.) under "Old Business" was consideration of Ordinance 2017-
08 for open containers of alcohol. Mr. Utt noted that staff had discussed the ordinance
regarding enforcement and other issues. The biggest question staff considered was
should the ordinance apply to Gatewood Park. If alcohol was prohibited legally, he
questioned what it would do to the usage or marketability of the park. That was the only
question staff had concerning the draft ordinance. Otherwise, he continued, staff felt it
would be a good tool to apply to the Town.
Mr. Goodman said that if Gatewood were left in the ordinance that the camping areas
would have to be excluded because it would probably defeat the purpose for many
people going there to relax. Mr. Utt's stance was that there were already rules in place
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to cover campers extending beyond where they should go as far as consumption was
concerned.
Mr. Goodman asked if there had been issues at Gatewood, to which Mr. Utt said he did
not think so. Mr. Goodman asked why regulate something that is working. Mr. East
reminded Council that the original goal was to curb some of the drinking at the local
playgrounds. Mr. Utt added that the ordinance extended beyond playgrounds to public
streets and sidewalks, but exemptions were in place for events with the appropriate
ABC license.
Mr. Kidd asked about the costs of permits mentioned in the ordinance, which Chief
Roche clarified as referring to ABC banquet permits, costing approximately $55. Mr.
Kidd also asked if Gatewood could be removed from the ordinance, to which Mr. Utt
replied that it could.
Mayor Glenn then called for a motion regarding the ordinance. Mr. Kidd moved to adopt
Ordinance 2017-08 with the removal of Gatewood Park from the ordinance. His motion
was seconded by Mr. Penn and approved on the following roll call vote:
Mr. Radcliffe -Aye
Mr. East -Aye
Mr. Clark -Aye
Mr. Goodman -Aye
Mr. Kidd -Aye
Mr. Penn -Aye
Next order of business (Item 13a.) was Resolution 2017-17 appointing Town
representatives to the Agency on Aging. Mayor Glenn asked if there was anything to
add other than the consent of the two representatives to serve. Mr. Utt replied that the
Agency on Aging continued to request that there be only one year terms for board
members.
Mr. Goodman moved to adopt Resolution 2017-17 as written. His motion was seconded
by Mr. Clark, which was approved on the following roll call vote:
Mr. Radcliffe -Aye Mr. Goodman -Aye
Mr. East -Aye Mr. Kidd -Aye
Mr. Clark -Aye Mr. Penn -Aye
Council then moved on to the next issue concerning the closure of the Pulaski Post
Office (Item 13b).
Mr. Utt mentioned that given the large number of comments over the past few weeks,
he felt it was appropriate for the Council to go officially on record concerning the closure
of the Post Office. Mr. Utt mentioned the short time frame between notification of
closure on July 19th and the closing on the 21St. He said there were still a lot of
questions as to why the post office was closed, but he thought the main goal of the
resolution was to go on record saying if there was anything the Town could do to
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encourage the Postal Service to reopen a facility within the Town limits, preferably in the
same building, the Town would be more than willing to assist.
Mr. Utt asked if Council was comfortable sharing the resolution with federal legislators
and contacts with the Postal Service to ensure their awareness of the issue. He added
that research he conducted of the Postal Service as a whole found that there were
30,000 post offices nationwide and that it would be hard to believe that a town of 9,000
people would not have a post office.
Mr. Utt also mentioned that there were concerns over a consolidation of the Pulaski and
Dublin post offices. While he felt that such concerns were rumors at this point, what he
wanted was the Town to be proactive enough to make sure this was a rumor and that it
did not become an option the Postal Service considered.
Mr. Utt told Council that postal regulations adopted in 2012 required a post office in a
ten mile radius fueling concern since Dublin is seven miles from the Pulaski Post Office.
In theory, the Postal Service could say the Dublin Post Office would be within the ten
mile radius of Pulaski. Mr. Utt thought they wouldn't do this because Pulaski is the
largest population center in the county. He just wanted to be sure the community was
on record as willing to do whatever could be done to get the post office back as quickly
as possible.
Mr. Goodman questioned why the Post Master was not present to talk with the Council.
Mr. Utt said he did not invite her and conversations he had indicated the Post Master
had to go through the Postal Service media services and she could not make official
comments for the Postal Service by herself. He said that a representative of the postal
media service could be invited to a Council meeting and that he would extend that
invitation.
Mr. Goodman thought that would be appropriate, since all the Town received was a
letter from the Post Office and nothing since. The citizens, he continued, have a right to
know what is going on. What is the plan, he continued, or are citizens going to have to
continue waste money driving to Dublin because they can't pick up their mail in town.
He felt that was unfair to the citizens of the Town and to those persons outside the
Town who used the post office. He described the Postal Service's silence as
reprehensible and felt they needed to tell the Council what was going on.
The citizen's use of the Postal Service, he continued, pays for that program. The
citizens were putting money in one end of the program and getting "crickets" as he
described it, at the other end. It was, he said, not fair to them. He felt the resolution was
good but it didn't help with the real issue of what was going on and how long was this
going to last. He felt it was appropriate for a representative of the Postal Service to
come to the Council and let the citizens know what was going on.
Mr. Utt said he would do all he could to extend the invitation.
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Mr. Kidd said he felt that Council should go ahead and adopt the resolution and get the
ball rolling on this end along with what Mr. Utt suggested. Mr. Kidd then moved to adopt
Resolution 2017-18 as written. His motion was seconded by Mr. Penn.
Mayor Glenn asked if there was any further discussion. Mr. East felt Mr. Goodman's
comments were on point. Mr. Radcliffe felt the situation had definitely crippled the town
and mentioned that Mr. Goodman and he had meetings with elected officials above the
Council who, he felt should be involved as well. The elderly and businesses had
definitely been crippled and he felt silence would not lead anywhere.
Mayor Glenn asked Mr. Utt if the County was going to do anything to which Mr. Utt
replied he had not talked with Mr. Sweet. Mayor Glen suggested that the County should
be contacted, anticipating that their assistance would be needed. Regarding the
resolution, Mayor Glenn's bigger concern was that the Town did not want a new post
office because 30%-35% of the people who use the post office walk to it.
Mr. East noted that the letter from the Post Office said there was going to be a public
meeting. He felt that the Town should work to get that information out to the
townspeople. Mr. Kidd suggested the Council should attend as well. Mr. Goodman
mentioned that it was important to get the postal service to stay in its present location
due to the historic nature of the structure.
There being no further comments, Council approved Resolution 2017-18 on the
following roll call vote:
Mr. Radcliffe
-Aye
Mr. Goodman
-Aye
Mr. East
-Aye
Mr. Kidd
-Aye
Mr. Clark
-Aye
Mr. Penn
-Aye
Next item on the agenda was a Closed Session under Va. Code Sec. 2.2-3711 a (3).
Mr. Goodman moved that the Council go into closed session pursuant to Va. Code 2.2-
3711 a (3) discussion for consideration or disposition or acquisition of publicly held
property regarding the Ridge Avenue tower site. The motion was seconded by Mr. East
and approved by the following roll call vote:
Mr. Radcliffe
-Aye
Mr. Goodman
-Aye
Mr. East
-Aye
Mr. Kidd
-Aye
Mr. Clark
-Aye
Mr. Penn
-Aye
Council entered Closed Session at 8:20 p.m.
Council returned from Closed Session at 8:37 p.m. Mayor Glenn called for a certification
motion concerning the closed session. Mr. Kidd moved that Council discussed only
those items in closed session under Va. Code 2.2-3711 a (3). His motion was seconded
by Mr. Goodman and carried on the following roll call vote:
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Mr. Radcliffe
-Aye
Mr. Goodman
-Aye
Mr. East
-Aye
Mr. Kidd
-Aye
Mr. Clark
-Aye
Mr. Penn
-Aye
After reviewing the schedule of upcoming meetings of Town Council, Mayor Glenn
called for a motion to adjourn. Mr. Goodman moved to adjourn. Mr. Clark seconded the
motion which was approved by unanimous voice vote at 8:43 p.m.
Approved:
ATTEST:
David N. Quesenberry, C/16rk of Council
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